How Can I View A Turbo Cad Drawing

Nigel Graham two	27/09/2019 01:04:01
1957 forum posts 26 photos	Damn and boom. Typed it then accidentally hit something - the panel went blank so I accept no idea if I posted information technology or not, and won't know without posting this, and looking next time I open the forum.
Michael Gilligan	27/09/2019 07:47:sixteen
19854 forum posts 1021 photos	That ^^^ beingness apparently the opening mail service in a new thread At present y'all know. MichaelG.
JasonB	27/09/2019 08:16:34
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Nigel Graham 2	02/12/2019 01:09:04
1957 forum posts 26 photos	I am Jason, thank-you! Progress to the point I can at present produce orthogonal drawings adequate for my ain workshop use, though there are still areas across me, like Layers and TurboCAD's complicated 'Viewport' for transferring drawings from their 'Model Space' to 'Newspaper Space' for printing. I think Layers allow advance formatting of dissimilar line-types, dimension styles etc., and DAG Brown'south CAD primer (in the Workshop Practice serial) suggests using them to repeat sub-assemblies from identify to place. I have to format everything individually. For press I just copy and paste the drawing, reducing it as necessary; only there is a peculiarity with TurboCAD'due south scaling organisation. It allows scales from ane:1 up, equally its Users' Forum gallery shows with exquisitely-rendered pictures of large things, merely not vice-versa. And then yous tin can draw very modest components, but I can't encounter any way to print them enlarged by definite scales with correct dimensions. It also has multiple printer menus, some lacking ISO- 'A' paper sizes. What I exercise like about TurboCAD is it allows you to describe in ii dimensions direct, unlike Fusion and Alibre. This is just as well: workshop drawings need to be orthogonal, and the 3D manner is beyond me!
pgk pgk	02/12/2019 06:36:22
2520 forum posts 293 photos	Nigel, You accept my sympathies. I don't employ turbocad regularly enough to have answers - when i do use it I have to fiddle most to call up stuff. Many years ago with turbocad 2 or 3 I redrew my builder's drawings with suggested changes and sent them to his fax machine belatedly 1 evening. Yes, in existent world size - so it ate a complete ringlet of fax newspaper and the scroll he replaced information technology with before he figured how to clear the buffer... pgk
JasonB	02/12/2019 06:54:42
Moderator 22367 forum posts 2591 photos ane articles	not familiar with TC just in Alibre you can set the drawing scale to whatsoever you like and even set different scales for each function with a couple of simple clicks. Likewise if it does not have A sizes you should be able to create a custom size and save it. Printing a drawing that was laid out on The states letter size to A4 and distort it if y'all don't get your printer settings correct.
Gary Wooding	03/12/2019 16:27:03
952 forum posts 240 photos	The paradigm for TCad is an space model space and a page-sized newspaper infinite. Model space tin concur 2D or 3D models of any size yous like. You can use model space in strictly 2D mode, and then but Ten and Y axes - no Z-axis, or in 3D mode in which all 3 axes can be used. You tin can create 2d drawings in 3D infinite, only you cannot create 3D models in 2D space. Although printing directly from model space sort-of works, that is not the style it'south designed to be used. What you exercise is to manipulate your view of model space by zooming and panning. If in 3D mode you can also rotate every bit required.Once you lot can see the model, or role of model, that you want to impress, y'all then employ the Create View command to ascertain the boundary of the view with a rectangle. (Advanced users can create shaped boundaries.) When you're satisfied with the boundary you hit Enter to be presented with a little bill of fare where you can accept the default proper name (something like View-1) or create your own. At that point you have created your viewport. You and then switch to paper space past clicking the next tab along from the model tab at the bottom left of the window. It's usually called Layout-i or Paper-1. You are then presented with a window containing a blank folio of the default page size and orientation. If you lot and so click File\|Page setup you will be presented with a little window where y'all can cull the folio size and orientation you desire. Actually, you can tin can choose paper size and the drawing sheet size considering you can tile a large cartoon sheet with paper sheets, simply usually you keep them the same, with the aforementioned orientation. Once you take a paper space layout that you similar (A4 portrait, say) y'all press enter, select the Insert Viewport command, and ascertain a rectangle (whatever size yous similar) on the paper to receive your viewport. One time you lot've chosen the name of the view you desire, click Goto and then Shut and information technology volition appear in the rectangle. You can alter the size of the rectangle by selecting it and dragging the sides.The scaling default is to fill the boundary rectangle with the defined viewport, simply yous tin can cull yous own scaling past right-clicking the rectangle and choosing Properties\|Viewport. From the window displayed, y'all can select what layers are to be shown in the view, and what the electric current scaling is. If you check the Fixed box y'all tin can select from a range of scales, or ascertain your own. You tin can add as many different views equally yous like, but usually you simply want one per page.Its up to you. In one case you lot've synthetic your folio, you print it in the normal way. You can create orthogonal views of 3D models past using the Drafting pallet, but I'm non sure if that's available in the the standard level TCad.
SillyOldDuffer	03/12/2019 xviii:13:51
Moderator 8260 forum posts 1763 photos	Posted past Nigel Graham 2 on 02/12/2019 01:09:04: ... I think Layers let advance formatting of dissimilar line-types, dimension styles etc., and DAG Brown's CAD primer (in the Workshop Practice serial) suggests using them to repeat sub-assemblies from place to identify. I have to format everything individually. For press I just copy and paste the drawing, reducing it as necessary; ... What I do like well-nigh TurboCAD is it allows you to draw in two dimensions direct, dissimilar Fusion and Alibre. This is only every bit well: workshop drawings demand to be orthogonal, and the 3D mode is beyond me! Layers are common to most 2D drawing packages, and they can be prepare-upwardly with different line weights, line styles, colours and Fonts etc. I use layers to separate construction lines, outline and hidden detail, dimensions, headings, notes, trace images, and eye-lines etc. Layers acquit exactly like transparent overlays, and they can be turned on or off every bit needed. No need to delete construction lines, just hide them by turning off their layer. Besides I can impress drawings with or without dimensions and text, and ignore or include doodles equally needed. Printing a technical cartoon by cut and paste is naughty because doing and then discards the drawing'southward intrinsic accuracy. Cutting and paste is for Function Workers, not Engineers. Any decent technical packet will scale prints to any is needed, and on dimensionally stable paper the upshot will be trustworthy. If I desire an A0 drawing, my local print shop will do it while I await. May I advise Nigel's drawing adventures are considering he'southward using the incorrect tools! Fusion and Alibre are both 3D design tools, not really suitable for conventional 2nd drawing. Turbo-CAD seems more 2D, information technology it too is a 3D tool. 3D packages utilize uncomplicated 2d editors to develop 3D objects. In these, a second square might exist extruded into a 3D block, and then other features are added by drawing new 2D features on any of the blocks faces, and and then extruding or cutting with them. 3D models are built from basic sketches and rarely exist as a unmarried 2D cartoon. When a conventional 2D drawing is needed for workshop use, it's projected by the software from the 3D model. Or it generated Grand-Lawmaking to drive a machine tool directly. Producing a simple 2D cartoon from Fusion without going through the entire 3D procedure is really hard, perchance impossible. If the 3D design procedure doesn't match Nigel's workflow, the tools he's using are doomed to confuse and neglect him. Doesn't matter how much they toll, or how wonderful they are, or how much time has been invested. If they don't work for you, try something else! Although I like 3D (Fusion & FreeCAD), I also value QCAD because it's a good second package, and I need 2D too. For 2D work similar plans, templates, checking other peoples drawings, and developing ideas QCAD kicks the poo out of Fusion. Not because Fusion is rubbish merely because QCAD is specifically designed to exercise second drawings; it'due south a brilliant electronic drawing board for doing the pen and pencil Technical Drawing I was taught aged 14. Information technology's valuable, and if Fusion were taken abroad tomorrow, I could do everything I need in the way of design with QCAD as a conventional draughtsman. Requite QCAD (or similar 2nd package) a become Nigel. I remember it's a better friction match to what you demand. None of these things are dead easy to employ from the get go; they all need to exist understood. I think 3D is unusually challenging considering the approach inverts the way 2nd drawing is done. The inversion makes it much easier to develop 3D objects, but it also makes 3D tools much harder to grasp. Much of what they do felt counter-intuitive to me and then I suddenly 'got it', similar learning to ride a bike. Dave
Nigel Graham two	08/12/2019 22:54:27
1957 forum posts 26 photos	Give thanks you lot Gentlemen. TurboCAD does offering very powerful 3D modelling, as its Users' Forum gallery shows; but I find its 3D concepts and techniques very difficult to learn. I cannot make the Layers piece of work: I have no idea why. This gives me a problem, in that turning a set of entities into a Group puts it in a default Layer not intended for object outlines, and information technology cannot be edited without breaking it apart once more. You delete construction-lines in TC not past the Delete cardinal, but a distinct Clear command; but that is no problem. Ofttimes my construction-lines are temporary copies or extensions of outline entities, every bit a speedy and accurate method for the specific object. Equally it happens a couple of the professionals on the TC Users' Forum have also explained Viewports to me. I realise the inherent accuracy of a CAD drawing can be arithmetically far higher than I can machine the physical objects, but I have not found the printed Paper Space paradigm losing that accuracy a problem, provided transferring the image has not inverse the dimensions given in Model Infinite. Even so, I will try to employ the Viewport organisation! It also seems to reply an apparent difficulty in scaling a small object so the printed image is enlarged rather than reduced: the prototype menus' minimum is 1:1. ' One problem is that there seems nearly no decent books that help you empathize CAD principles before you battle with a specific "brand" of CAD. I accept institute only 2, and accept both; by D.A.M. Chocolate-brown and Neill Hughes respectively. They assistance to a point. Brown'southward is the more useful for learning bones CAD skills although its cover photo looks very dated. I felt the Hughes book (whose British publisher spells "metre" and "-ise" as "meter" and "-ize", is more than a sit-in of 3D-modelling by an skilful, than an aid to learning to utilize CAD. TurboCAD is clearly an either/or programme. Y'all cannot turn its orthographic drawings into 3D representations, but I believe it does intend you to produce 2D elevations from initial 3D models as Alibre etc. does. The difference is that TurboCAD lets you describe directly in 2d - though holds a subtle trap that apparently causes many beginners, many bug. ' I was attracted to CAD partly because although I was never involved with the drawing-office at work, I observed the possibilities for 3D assembly and layout drawings; equally well equally facilitating any drawings by for case, readily and accurately copying repeated details. TC'due south 'Re-create' is 1 of its easiest and most useful tools! I did non know then about the CAD concept of "models" - to me, what I saw were and are isometric illustrations of assemblies complete or in exploded-parts course. I had also seen orthographic part-drawings with appended pictorial illustrations to assistance the reader visualise them - every bit indeed Hemingway uses on their kit drawings. ' Changing to some other programme? Well, I did try that with Alibre but realised it was an unwise move. Fifty-fifty if I stick to 2nd draughting though, I think I take gone far enough with TurboCAD for it to be meliorate to stick with it, in the vague hope of cracking some of its harder features, rather than starting all over again. Also of course, I retain the option of 3D if one day I risk trying information technology once again.
IanT	08/12/2019 23:52:34
1962 forum posts 196 photos	Nigel, I am a long term user of TurboCAD Palatial - having started with v4 and progressed though v9 and I'm at present using v16 (I don't carp with every release - went to v16 for W10) I actually struggled at first too - then kind of got the hang of 'snaps' (crucial to know) merely was using the mouse + icons/menus to do everything. Information technology worked just wasn't actually nifty. I and then watched Paul "the CAD" videos on YT and took his communication to first over and just use cardinal stroke commands from a clutter free (clean) screen. There are merely a few k/southward you lot need for the master 'snaps' and it was very easy to convert. Layers are extremely useful to seperate parts, construction lines, dimensions etc - as well every bit enabling unlike colours to exist automatically used for each 1. The departure between model and paper worlds isn't that obvious when starting out - merely substantially - I now draw everything as one large 'model' (with layers) and and then take any views (e.thousand. drawings) I need in 'paper' space via the viewports. Once more Paul the CAD has a video that explains all this very well. Once explained, these things become very easy and y'all will exist very happy with TC! Nevertheless - I have decided that TC/DL is only going to be my second CAD tool - I will utilize something else for 3D. TC/DL does do basic 3D but bluntly I struggled with information technology (even afterwards watching the videos) and many essential features are obviously just bachelor in the 'Pro' (e.chiliad. expensive) version of TC. But I actually exercise recommend Paul the CAD - watch his basic 2D YTs and you will be delighted with your progress I remember... Regards, IanT Edited By IanT on 08/12/2019 23:56:27
Tomfilery	09/12/2019 11:28:46
135 forum posts 4 photos	Nigel, Similar IanT I also have used TC for many years and am reasonably proficient with it, using it primarily to depict 16mm/ft railway wagons and locos. I never apply construction lines and rarely use a viewport (though it is specially useful if y'all want to scale down a cartoon (in model space) yous have drawn full size to build a model in a dissimilar scale, or want to rescale an existing model to something else). To reduce the scale of an image in a viewport only enter the scale yous want i.e. one:19.05 (for 16mm/ft). Getting dimensions in the viewport to appear as scale dimensions is a little involved, only readily doable. Your observation re grouped objects is absolutely correct. To change the whole object to a different layer you take to:- highlight the object; select "edit group content" - the object opens in a different screen; select everything (CTRL A does it); and so select the layer you want it to belong to - and the color (if you don't have colour past layer selected); once it is as you want select "finish edit to group content" and you are done! I tend to use Ubuntu for virtually things, these days and run my TC from Ubuntu, by utilize of VirtualBox simply, similar you take looked for alternatives. One of the big stumbling blocks for me is that I use a lot of keyboard commands with TC east.g. in "depict" I'll click on the finish of an existing line so tab to the Line length box; enter the length I want; tab to the bending box and enter the angle of the line; and so hit enter to finish. I detect this save loads of time, over carefully positioning lines with the mouse and allows you to not have to rely upon the filigree. Hope this helps you get over your frustrations. Regards Tom.
Nigel Graham 2	04/04/2020 23:08:19
1957 forum posts 26 photos	Give thanks you Ian and Tom. Sorry virtually the long filibuster! I can now use sufficient of TurboCAD to produce reasonable prints for my own use, though at A4 size for the moment because a fix of the ridiculously tiny cartridges in my HP 7510 A3 Printer / Scanner, costs almost £100! Oh, and it is not an A3 scanner. The scanner bed is some vague size smaller, as I discovered when I tried to use it for a specific archiving project. I use the grid simply as a guide or in Snap way, and don't utilise the mouse lone for positioning lines; but generally the drawings I produce all respond to the tool-bar and snap commands anyway. I cannot understand how to set up Layers. I take tried but it just ignores me, and I've no idea why. I use the obvious menus and the Layer editing class but I can't make it salvage the entries. Although frustrating and inefficient to do so, all I can do is draw everything on the default layer and edit the lines and annotations individually. ''' I've non attempted 3D cartoon for a while now. It'southward too difficult and since I need orthogonal drawings anyway in the workshop, I draw direct in 2D. The main difficulties I find with 3D are:- - Each of the several ways to correspond a solid object, has its specific reactions to the standard tools. E.k., trying to change the size changes the position past the chosen increase instead. Or it dissolves the solid into a myriad adjoining, individual polylines. - Baffling work-plane and co-ordinate systems. An object may seem in the right place, only viewing it from a different direction shows information technology is anywhere only. - No clear idea which viewing angle is which, despite a characterization appearing at the top of the screen - placing a fiddling indicator sphere on a significant corner helps. - No simple mode to Assemble 3D objects - the supposed 'Manual' does not tell y'all how to brand objects meet at defined points on their surfaces.
Steviegtr	04/04/2020 23:28:20
2390 forum posts 320 photos	I am sorry but I employ Autocad 2020. To print any particular role of the drawing I press the print push, which opens a dialogue. In in that location you have a few options. One of them is window. If I pick this, it reverts back to the drawing & you pull a window around the role you want. Information technology then prints that at whatever size paper y'all select. Evidently no scale simply at to the lowest degree y'all can encounter a part enlarged If y'all have dimensioned the drawing then information technology prints everything picked ,including the dimensions. Not sure if you accept that option or not. Admit though that I have used Autocad for over 30 years. Nonetheless just know nigh 5% of the commands. Steve.
Martin Connelly	05/04/2020 09:59:18
2089 forum posts 221 photos	Information technology sounds to me like Turbocad is trying to be AutoCad only doing a poor impression. I have been spending some time over winter doing a metric version of Elmer'due south VR75 as a solid model in AutoCad. I have completed the assembled model in model infinite with each part on a different layer. I have started doing the drawings in paper infinite with multiple layouts with viewports. Each viewport can be set to only show the required layer(s) for the office being drawn, the line thickness and colour used for that layer in that viewport can be fix, usually black. The scale in each viewport can be set to an exact value to suit the newspaper setup beingness used. Dimensioning is done in paper space then that things like dimension arrows are automatically sized. There are plenty of tutorials online for AutoCad. These show how model space, paper space and viewports are used to make the all-time utilise of CAD. Not using these programs as they were designed to be used is probably making things harder for the user. Martin C
IanT	05/04/2020 ten:48:43
1962 forum posts 196 photos	Hello Graham, I'g currently using TC/DL 2016 and other older/newer versions of TC/DL may differ - the user interface has changed over the years (it has simply cannot think specifics now) and may take done so again more recently. Nonetheless (in 2016) at that place is an icon that looks like a finger poking a sandwich (best I tin can think of) - which if clicked on will open a 'Layers' box. I use this box to create and manage my layers. Each layer has it's own name and characteristics (east.thou. color, line thickness etc). You lot can as well 'lock' layers or make them visible or invisible - a locked layer cannot be edited or changed - which prevents accidental change to that layer when working on others nearby. Making but those layers you demand visible helps de-clutter the screen and once more, you cannot edit or snap to non-visible layers by mistake. Then in that location are many uses for layers and they are well worth exploring. They are also easily used from the keyboard - e.g. Control + L selects all elements of the agile layer. If you tin't run across the 'sandwich finger' - use Format/Layers drop downs to bring upward your Layers box. As I've said - the Deluxe version is a very skilful 2nd arrangement but I've never managed much 3D with it - you lot near demand to completely relearn from scratch. For 3D printing (mostly basic shapes) I'm using Open SCAD and have managed to impress various pipe adaptors, holders, clip etc that were pretty simple shaped just added together and and then oriented/positioned using Cura. I'chiliad not certain I really need 3D engineering drawings only if so I will have a look at FreeCAD - as it's SCAD friendly, Open Source and not Cloud based. I much prefer local apps and command of my information. Regards, IanT.
Martin Connelly	05/04/2020 11:12:42
2089 forum posts 221 photos	Elmer'southward VR75 metric model in AutoCad and function of one layout canvass in paper space as described earlier. Martin C
Neil Wyatt	05/04/2020 eleven:24:01
Moderator 18960 forum posts 734 photos 80 articles	Posted past Martin Connelly on 05/04/2020 11:12:42: Elmer's VR75 metric model in AutoCad and office of one layout sheet in newspaper space as described earlier. Martin C I suppose it's my fault for mentioning the Grateful Dead in some other thread... Neil
SillyOldDuffer	05/04/2020 eleven:42:thirty
Moderator 8260 forum posts 1763 photos	Posted by IanT on 05/04/2020 10:48:43:. ... I'chiliad not sure I really need 3D engineering drawings but if and so I will have a look at FreeCAD - equally it's SCAD friendly, Open Source and not Deject based. I much prefer local apps and control of my data. IanT. Me too, which is why I use QCAD for 2d, and FreeCAD for anything 3D that doesn't require assembly. (I get Fusion 360 for anything that needs Joints. I similar Fusion, but not the cloud model.) I noticed tuning into how CAD software works isn't easy, especially in the early stages when one'south mind is liable to be filled with preconceptions and assumptions almost how CAD ought to work rather than how it actually does. Also, it's hard for beginners to see the wood for the trees because CAD packages are packed full of not-obvious features such as dissimilar workbenches, special tools, and skillful facilities. Intimidating, and piece of cake to go hopelessly lost specially if you like to learn by clicking buttons randomly to come across what happens! Equally CAD is beginner unfriendly I wrote a Getting Started with FreeCAD thread last year. I effort to explain the divergence between 2D and 3D thinking, which is frequently a major learning obstruction, and then endeavour to get a model engineering beginner going equally quickly as possible with the appropriate office of FreeCAD. Simple pace-by-step examples moving up to more circuitous objects. In that location was too a mag series and thread covering Alibre, which some might prefer, considering FreeCAD is a scrap experimental, guv. Alibre, FreeCAD, and Fusion360 have many similarities. AutoCAD and TurboCAD take a somewhat different approach. Which best suits an individual might depend on previous experience and heed-set; despite knowing my objections aren't logical, I don't get on with AutoCAD. Dave
Nigel Graham two	05/04/2020 12:07:52
1957 forum posts 26 photos	Martin- I take non used AutoCAD though I take a copy of information technology. I don't agree with your opening statement though. TurboCAD is not "trying" to be anything but TurboCAD, let lonely a poor copy of a rival. Its Users' Forum gallery shows it can be used (by experts) to produce extremely high quality renderings of both engineering and architectural subjects, as well equally proper technical drawings. Anyway, despite differences in their powers, menus and ease of utilize, all these CAD programmes probably piece of work in much the aforementioned mode at heart, simply present users with different controls and techniques for the same ends. TC uses Model and Paper, Spaces past those names, and I am pretty certain allows layer selection as yous describe, though that across my level. If you lot employ only one layer and piece of work-airplane, the Viewport copies it all. ' More by and large, at that place are tutorials bachelor for TurboCAD but most are videos, and I demand step-by-step, stock-still, instructions I can follow at my own, molluscan, pace; stop at any betoken, retrace steps. Luckily the introductory CD packed with the programme CD, allows that, being a set of pdf documents. I agree that not using CAD, or any software, every bit designed volition make things hard - indeed, even impossible. That is the user'southward fault, non the software's. I accept personal preference in choosing a CAD programme, and briefly tried Fusion360 and Alibre. That choice can reflect own needs and abilities to larn circuitous applications. .it can too reverberate the competing products' intrinsic, relative degrees of ease of apply and quality of tutorial textile. Those personal criteria influence to the depth to which we tin can larn the programme. For example, the box labels on my re-create of TurboCAD - bought at an exhibition (Mussgorsky, anyone?) - depict two 3D images, presumably by Paul Tracy. They are a rendering of a bogie, and a wire-frame cartoon of the turret and valves, for a miniature steam-locomotive. I wanted to be able to create isometric engineering-assembly drawings and those examples of familiar objects made me hope I might reach that level of expertise. However, I have to have I can not, despite two successful TurboCAD 3D diagrams for a geology article I wrote for my caving-club's Journal. That is no-i'south fault, but at least my basic orthographic drawings requite me a chance of making ii $.25 of metal that actually fit together as drawn. TurboCAD gives you lot a choice. It allows direct orthographic drawing, but I am fairly certain information technology too allows orthographic drawings from 3D models, if yous prefer the pretty style round. Do other makes requite that choice? Fusion and Alibre both rapidly stopped me past both their enforced 3D-first approach, and their publicity examples. I knew many notice otherwise, but the arroyo and examples made me see these packages as far too advanced. ' Summing up, all CAD packages are similar our lathes and milling-machines, or cameras and computers: tools for tasks nosotros wish to perform, and every bit we consider ourselves engineers, nosotros do non arraign the tools! {Post edited to analyze.} Edited By Nigel Graham 2 on 05/04/2020 12:21:36
IanT	05/04/2020 xiii:39:34
1962 forum posts 196 photos	Nigel, I can only recommend y'all persevere with using Layers - they are really essential to making more complex drawings in my view. I don't use TC's built in structure lines, building my own to suit the item I am modelling. Your comment about Isometric drawing has simply sparked a idea that I must remember to endeavour. I could use a special 'structure' layer to build 'perspective' lines that would make isometric cartoon in 2nd then very much easier.... I've been looking at a better way to illustrate some processes for an commodity I'm because writing and my artistic talent is absolutely minimal. My other solution has involved using GIMP to 'simplify' photographs - to give the sort of black & white style images much favoured by ME in the fifty'south. Simply I'd prefer the sort of Iso-drawings that Kozo Hiaoka uses to great issue in his books - not being able to draw by hand well is a great handicap - only I can utilize TC fairly fluently and this thought might only solve my problem - then thank yous for the prompt! (BTW - I know 3D CAD would solve this problem - but I'd need to learn it first and that'southward nowhere near top of my TUIT listing!) Regards, IanT